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Now then. Time for the Query Critique. First I’ll present the query without comment, then I’ll offer my thoughts and a redline. If you choose to offer your own thoughts, please be polite. We aim to be positive and helpful.
Random numbers were generated, and thanks to HHamer, whose query is below.
In CHILDREN OF SHADOWS, there is an ancient light power, left by Neolithic mystics, who foresaw the day alien shadow spirits would land on Earth. The shadows wipe out the majority of life, technology, erase memories and take all children as hosts.
(Personalized bit) So, I thought you’d enjoy my 112,000 word speculative novel.
When Christopher, fourteen, is gifted with light power, he knows he must use it to destroy the shadow spirits, but he is pushed down a hill by the girl who gave him the light. Christopher’s father awakes in his car from a dream of Christopher in the field, but he does not see his face. With no memory of life before the dead silence around him, the desire to find the one in his dreams and a potential family drives him on to find his son.
In order to save as many children as possible from an unknown fate, they must travel a post-apocalyptic South East England to the crater where the shadows landed. When they reach the alien pod, and Christopher confronts the girl who pushed him; she turns out to be his sister, who ran away from home the day the shadows came and found the light in an ancient cave before passing it onto him. After a dream battle, she sacrifices herself to destroy the pod. Christopher absorbs her memories from the time before the pod landed, but he also absorbs her shadow. Now he must advance on a longer quest across the country for a mystical cure to free himself of an increasing darkness inside, or let it take over and give in to its impulses.
A sequel to this novel and multiple spin-offs do exist in my mind, but it can stand alone; the book is in three parts which serve in a way like a trilogy of their own. Though the main character of the novel is a teenager, I believe it will appeal to both YA and adult audiences, similar to Phillip Pullman’s His Dark Materials universe. I’m a 21-year-old English author of 22 self-published books that I began when I was twelve. This novel is the first based in places I’ve lived or visited in England, places with meaning to me. I also write on Substack (https://harveyhamer.substack.com), chronicling my writing journey, weekly roundups, and serialising the start of this story as a novella.
Thank you for your time,
There’s a lot going on here. While some of the details of this story feel imaginative and there seems to be interesting things going on, this plot description kind of spills out in a jumbled, confusing rush of information. I almost felt like I needed to take a nap after reading it.
The plot description feels like it loses sight of what is and isn’t on the page and what we have context to understand (e.g. what is “light power” in the world of this novel? What are “shadow spirits” and what do they want?), the events are described in a scattered way, and there are confusing perspective leaps instead of grounding us in a cohesive, consistent POV. I don’t understand what the characters need to do and what’s ultimately at stake.
Jog yourself to see this from the perspective of someone who’s unfamiliar with the world of the novel. Adopt a cohesive perspective. Help us understand what the characters are trying to do and what happens if they succeed or fail. Don’t worry about spoilers and be very specific about what they need to do and why.
Also, I see quite a few queries like this one where authors tout the potential for their novel to cross over beyond their genre. This is not the selling point that you might think it is. Novels that end up crossing over do so for the simple fact that they are wildly popular among their initial readers, those readers then evangelize to readers who don’t normally read books like those, and it catches fire in a broader way. It’s not because the books were intentionally written to “cross over.”
It’s similar to touting a novel’s potential for a film adaptation. Yeah. Sure. Nearly every novelist in the world wants that for their book. It’s a nice to have, not something that can be predicted and advertised in advance.
Just know your genre, write and pitch it well, and let the agent judge its market potential.
Here’s my redline:
In CHILDREN OF SHADOWS, there is an ancient light power, left by Neolithic mystics, who foresaw the day alien shadow spirits would land on Earth. The shadows wipe out the majority of life, technology, erase memories and take all children as hosts.[This more like a vaguely described premise than an effective, specific one sentence pitch that centers the novel on a/the protagonist(s) and what they must do](Personalized bit) [Lead with the personalization] So, I thought you’d enjoy my 112,000 word speculative novel.
When Christopher, fourteen,
is gifted withreceives light power, [INSERT CONTEXT], from [WHO HE RECEIVES IT FROM].[Vague and passive. How does he receive it? What is it?], he knows he must use it to destroy the shadow spirits,[INSERT CONTEXT], buthe is pusheddown a hill by the girl who gave him the light.¶Christopher’s father awakes
in his carfrom a dream of Christopher in his car [SPECIFICALLY WHERE]in the field[Really confusing leap over to Christopher’s father’s POV], but he does not see his face [In the dream? I don’t understand].With no memory ofHe can’t remember his life before the dead silence around him,the desire to find the one in his dreams and a potential familybut feels drivendrives him onto find his son. [Extremely confusing sentence, read the original out loud]In order to save as many children as possible
froman unknown fate[Be more specific. Why are the stakes so muddled? How do they know children must be saved? Is this vague just to avoid a spoiler? Don’t worry about that], they [Who is “they?”] must travel a post-apocalyptic South East England to the crater where the shadows landed. When they reach the alien pod,andChristopher [Where did he come from?] confronts the girl who pushed him; s. She turns out to be his sister, who ran away from home the day the shadows cameandfound the light in an ancient cave before passing it onto him. After a dream battle [A what?], she sacrifices herself to destroy the pod [Be more specific about what she does and why]. Christopher absorbs her memoriesfrom the time before the pod landed, but he also absorbs her shadow [I don’t understand what this means]. Now he must advance on a longer quest across the country [Vague] for a mystical cure to free himself of an increasing darkness inside [Vague], or let it take over and give in to its impulses. [I don’t understand what this means]
A sequel to this novel and multiple spin-offs do exist in my mind, but it canCHILDREN OF SHADOWS stands alone; the book is in three parts which serve in a way like a trilogy of their ownbut I have ideas for a series. It will appeal to readers of [BETTER COMPS].Though the main character of the novel is a teenager, I believe it will appeal to both YA and adult audiences, similar to Phillip Pullman’s His Dark Materials universe.I’m a 21-year-old English author of 22 self-published booksthat I began when I was twelve[I’m not sure I’d advertise you have self-published books written when you were 12]. This novel is the first based in places I’ve lived or visited in England, places with meaning to me. I also write on Substack(https://harveyhamer.substack.com)[Include links after your signature], chronicling my writing journey, weekly roundups, and serialising the start of this story as a novella[I wouldn’t do this, as it can complicate your publishing journey. In any case, I’d cross this bridge with the agent when you get there, as it’s an additional complication beyond the 22 self-published books].Thank you for your time,
Thanks again to HHamer!
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Harvey Hamer says
Thank you very much for this thorough critique Nathan. Much more in-depth and harsh than the last one (though they had the benefit of the first page I suppose; still, it’s amazing how advice differs.). I’m very glad to have so much to improve, to really ground the query and clear away all the vagueness. (My favourite redline of yours was: …a dream battle [A what?]). Already reading through what I’d sent you there’s things I would change now. Can I ask why you’re not sure I should advertise my age when I began self-publishing? I mean I know they’re not exactly quality productions, but still. Also, are self-published books complications for agents?
Many thanks
Nathan Bransford says
Thanks very much for volunteering, and sorry you found it harsh!
A roster of self-published books are not a problem unto themselves, but I was honestly very skeptical that a book written when someone was 12 could be good (compared to books by adults, which is the bar, not just good relative to someone’s age), which raises questions about seeing one’s work objectively, even before you confirmed they’re not quality. The 22 books also could feel a bit daunting to an agent, who may wonder if you’re going to expect them to then read/shop all of them.
Lastly, if you’ve serialized a book online prior to publication, even if you control the rights, an agent couldn’t offer, say, an exclusive first serial. It’s not the biggest deal in the world but it’s just another little complication that can kind of add up and contribute to a sense that there’s a lot to deal with here.
I absolutely believe in being transparent with agents and I wouldn’t hide any of this, I’m just not sure I’d *advertise* the age you started self-publishing in the query to at least take that off the table in the query. But it’s totally up to you at the end of the day. Bios contain whatever you want the agent to know about you.
Harvey Hamer says
No need to apologise! Harsh is a good thing for this. I’d much rather be told to try again than send the same rubbish query to many agents. Thank you for your elaborations. I’ve since moved off Substack anyway, so will probably just remove that serialised version. I reckon I’ll just mention self-publishing in a new bio too, not any of the numbers. Though actually, is it worthwhile mentioning the sales numbers? I’ve heard different things so normally leave it out. Thanks again.
Nathan Bransford says
Sales numbers are worth mentioning in the query if they’re very strong, as in the thousands per title.
Harvey Hamer says
Ironically its the first few books I self-published at that young age that reached the thousands mark. Thanks again, Nathan
Tara says
Harsh? (Guess this writer never read Miss Snark). I understand it can be a shock to have someone not share your vision. However, I found Nathan’s redline insightful and filled with helpful info to guide the writer to elevate his /her work and infuse it with much-needed info. Also: agents get hundreds of queries a week and usually only take on one or two new clients a year. Sometimes a bit more for new agents. So: make it easier for them to love it – or at least understand- the book, and then maybe request some pages. And yes, it’s not important that you self-published at 12. At least not in a query. Also, as the query was jumbled, perhaps the writing, too, could use pruning. To this end, the word count is really high. I understand it can creep up a bit for this genre, but the feeling I get is that you may wish to do some serious revision and try to get it down to 80K or so (This advice was given to me, from a literary agent). Every word must earn its place. I’d go back and be brutal with yourself. You can do it. (And don’t bother with past writers with high word count books. The publishing landscape has shifted). Best wishes to the writer. How lucky the writer is to have Nathan’s professional advice.
Harvey Hamer says
Funny you should mention a revision as it is something I’m planning to do soon. And I totally agree that I’m lucky to have Nathan’s advice and insight; I never meant harsh in its harshest sense; compared to the previous feedback I’d received on this, I prefer Nathan’s honesty, It really showed me how my plot-condensing needs a lot of work for someone with no context, or anyone really. Best wishes to you too!