Ever since I put the final period at the end of the last sentence of JACOB WONDERBAR AND THE COSMIC SPACE KAPOW, I had always imagined the beginning of #2 starting a very certain particular way. It was unexpected! Shocking! A little bit unsettling!
But after I submitted a partial to my editor, she came back and said (very politely): the opening didn’t work. My agent (very politely) agreed.
GAH!
But… but… I wanted to sputter, this is how I always imagined it. It’s part of the fabric of the novel. How can I write this novel if this isn’t the beginning?
Then I took a step back and realized something: they were totally right. It didn’t work! Not even a little!
Thankfully, trained publishing professionals saved me from one of the deadliest foes of the writer: the first idea.
First ideas are much like first loves. You fall so hard for someone, they are your everything, you love them to the point of rendering you completely bonkers. Then there’s a calamitous breakup, and you think the world is quite possibly going to explode. Then some time passes and you realize that person was perhaps quite nice but you know what they kind of smelled funny and maybe I should have wondered about that throwing star collection before I found one stuck ominously in the dashboard of my car.
Um. Where was I? Oh yes. First ideas.
The point is this: first ideas have a tendency to become intertwined with your conception of the entire novel. You start to think: this is how this character is. This is how this world is. This is how this novel is. If it doesn’t work, well I guess the whole thing isn’t going to work.
But who owns those characters? Who owns that world? You do! You’re the writer. You can change it to make it work. You really can. You own your character and plot and setting.
Every book on writing I have ever read talks about how dangerous your first ideas are, and it’s positively absolutely true. Some say you have to think of ten bad ideas to find every good one, some say you should discard five GOOD ideas for every one you keep, Stephen King advocates darling killing, etc. etc. The one thing all this advice has in common is that no idea should be sacred. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work.
It’s so important to move past those first ideas and to avoid making them too intertwined with how you envision the entire project. Obviously you can’t change a novel beyond a point where it stops being the story you want to tell, but short of that, everything is changeable.
Take a throwing star to that first idea. Your second or tenth or hundredth idea is bound to be better.
I see you've been chatting w/my husband who said "your first novel probably won't be The One." Naturally, I went away pouty. But it's so true. Writing is a process of learning~
I remember being surprised when Stephenie Meyer said she got her book idea from a dream. Cause sure, I've had ideas come out of nowhere, but I've never had good ones from dreams!
Hello Nathan,
Yes, I totally agree. I've been working on my novel for a long time and I finally come to realize some of those first ideas have now become plot holes and loose ends that really need to be addressed. And of course when I'm sitting down to really hash out the work that will be done, you post something like this, confirming my doubts.
Bravo!
So true. I keep a 'for possible inclusion later' file for just this purpose. That way I can remove passages, pages, sometimes whole chapters less painfully–because it feels like they are right there if I want them back. Inevitably, I never do. Sometimes you just need space in a relationship. 🙂
Yes, yes, yes. I just started work on a new manuscript last week, and aside from the first few lines, the opening was not what I had imagined it. I stared at the screen for a few minutes before shrugging and saying, "Ehh, it works better this way." I may change it some more. And already my outline is changing as I think of new ideas to explore.
You can't get too attached. You've got to be willing to let some things go if it works better for the story.
I hope you worked that unexpected shocking part somewhere else in the book. Now I'm curious 🙂
But I agree about the first ideas. Doesn't usually work out.
I appreciated the snowball photograph more than your post. Sorry…I'm baking in 100 heat in the nasty San Fernando Valley.
Thank you for this post. I am uber-ultra guilty of being overly connected to characters/plot because they almost always have happened in some shape or form in mine or someone's life; trashing them feels like blasphemy to me and I continuously struggle with being too cemented to my ideas.
But sometimes it's even worse to second-guess yourself.
Nathan,
I agree that an original idea that isn't working needs to be rewritten but at what point do we take control or lose control of our stories. I have issues with a quite a few of my ideas and keep rewriting the story to fit into what I think a mainstream novel should be, but at what point am I going from being a high school garage band to a hand picked 90's boy band with my writing. I want to be published and I would like to take this so called hobby to the next level but I would also like to be the one that dictates what I write. Am I just being amateurish in my thinking or is this really not that big of a deal?
Thank you for your advice as always
M.A. Leslie
Die, monster, die–pernicious first idea for a novel opening (with apologies to The Magic Flute). I just shucked my opening to my lastest novel–came to me in a flash. Brand new opening. Much stronger. It's a reckoning you can live with. Thanks for posting.
Oh, this is so true. I'm having a really hard time letting go of mine–a manuscript that's in its millionth draft. But I just don't think it's ever going to work. Ever. It's sad, but true. One day I'll accept it.
Sometimes the problem is as identified by Blake Snyder–the story idea is one of those "the smell of the rain on the road at dawn." I have a blog post on this subject if interested, at https://lesedgertononwriting.blogspot.com/2010/05/smell-of-rain-on-road-at-dawn.html
The concept applies to a lot of novel and story ideas…
Blue skies,
Les
I think my true first ideas are fine…they're vague. Maleable. It's the middling ideas…the ones that pop up in the middle of brainstorming, or while drafting, or as solutions to revision problems…those are dangerous. Especially when I think of them while on the treadmill–they seem brilliant at the time, but are often a result of mild dehydration.
Phew! I've written about a half-dozen openings to my novel, renamed it several times and revised the genre so this makes me happy.
Funny thing, I was comparing relationships with writing just last night. So, what if you married the one who smells funny?
I tend to change the ending, not so much the end of the ending, but how I get to the ending. How it happens changes as I write, the characters develop, the plot thickens etc.
Letting go of fixed ideas allows my charcaters to do unexpected things too. That allows the plot to go places that surprise me and surprise the readers too, So you're absoutley right. First ideas are probably not the best – I think of them as jumping off points.
Love that quote about "you have to murder your darlings" … sometimes attributed to William Faulker, or Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch, or Colette, or Nabokov, or … ?? Though it's quoted by Stephen King in his book "On Writing", he did not come up with it himself.
Nathan, your blog is, as always, spot on. "Begin in the middle" has always been good advice … at least for modern novels. In other words, begin while the hurricane is raging around your hero, not while he's staring out at calm seas waiting for it to hit.
Sometimes I feel I have the reverse of everyone else's writing problems. I, for example, am always convinced the first idea sucks. lol.
So true. I fell in love with the first two sentences of my WIP (that is currently on an editing break). I had those sentences written long before I even started writing my first draft. I was determined that they were fantastic and that they had to stay in the novel. They blinded me to the complete uselessness of my first chapter. Then, an agent at a workshop opened my eyes by suggesting that the novel had a false beginning.
Once I finally got up the nerve to dump that first chapter, I had a much stronger beginning.
So true about marrying the First Idea. have you read Richard Hugo's book The Triggering Town? A number of essays on craft, but they all center around this idea.
Very cool post. Thanks for sharing. It really is helpful to hear your perspective on this topic as you are both an author and an agent. I too have learned that it's important to be open and flexible in this creative process.
Thanks again!
Nathan, Your entries will some day make a fine book on writing. I have what I call "The Magic Curtain", the moment of insight when what I thought was good turns out to be not so good.
How many thousand "magic curtains" must rise before a work is mature?
I don't have an editor, unfortunately, so all I have is the Magic Curtain. Writing is a lot like trying to eat soup on a trampoline.
Art
So true. I rewrote the last 55% of my second book, because the first idea of how it ought to play out was just that bad. The second idea was much, much better. Yeah, the first idea isn't always gold.
I recently went back to the outline of my current WIP when I realized the climax I was about to write wasn't big enough. After lots of brainstorming, I saw I had to return to the beginning and reshape the book. It's so easy for us to get caught up in the darlings that will die, fear the amount of work involved, and feel we're married to our earlier ideas. Once we get past that, there's a huge sense of freedom that comes with opening ourselves up to changes–though the freedom is easier to appreciate, in my opinion, after we've found the better ideas.
Best of luck on your next idea. And the one after that. 😉
Nathan, as a beginner I've been struggling with many of these issues. I love reading this blog because it is so incredibly helpful! Thank you!
Tess
I don't know if I'm kidding myself, but I always thought my first ideas were the best ones. It was only when I kept fine-tuning that the gleam seem to fade out of them and they become tired. Sometimes it seems that it's the way I try to execute that first idea that is its undoing. first ideas are usually more original and therefore have to be handled in a way that's not the norm. But when you take an unusual shape and try to hammer it into the same ol', same ol' mould that's when it doesn't work, I think.
Well Nathan, this certainly fits well with what I just went through with you and the opening to Deadworld 2 (damn title, where are you hiding?). I was enamored with a certain character's state of mind in the beginning, which was so over the top with respect to what was going on that it felt out of character. Thanks to Nathan's editorial input, said character was toned down a wee bit and the opening chapters work much better.
I will certainly admit that it's difficult to see beyond aspects of your story that you feel give it identity, fire, or what have you. I am not good at this. Some people are good at pulling apart their own writing, stepping back and realizing something doesn't work. I am not one of those people. Thankfully, I have Nathan on my side to provide some objective, experienced eyes. Without them, my stories would not be nearly as good.
This is yet another reason why having an agent is worth every penny of 15%. At least if they are of the editorial sort.
The delete key and back button are my best friends…no chance of an original idea escaping them here!
I wrote 2345 words today and deleted them all because they were all wrong. Someone suggested that I put it in a separate file to revisit later but I disagreed and just scrapped them.
Your post is timely and spot on. Sometimes it's hard to see that you might have a BETTER idea lurking around in the murky recesses of your mind.
Gaak. I wrote the first line with a vision of where I wanted my MS to go. I was working on my second novel and rewriting the first for about the tenth time when I stopped writing.After weeks of rewriting I put the MS away.Went back and realized the characters were too nice,too perfect and the idea for the story wasn't working. I shoved the project in a folder and left it there.An idea slowly formed,the last of many and I began to rewrite.Is the story great? Not yet,but it is definitely much better and very different than my first idea. interesting,likeable,and I cared about them
I ended up rewriting my entire book for this very reason. Wrote it, sat on it for a year and a half, read it again, said "Balls," cut half of it out and reconstructed it line by line.
I was too attached to the writing and the process of the first draft and I had to become unattached before I could write something that worked.
I hate this blog. In a good way.
Tis true. My six draft in no way resembles the first draft. In No Way. The ideas are threaded through, but they are vaporous wraiths of the original idea.
Yet another good bumper post. Beginnings are important, obviously. Sometimes they should be revisited after the book is finished, not during its writing. They might work then, might not. The first idea – depends on its shape; maybe it needs to gestate – for years rather than months. Some of mine have taken over 20 years! One opening I liked and kept for a number of years was 'He was dressed entirely in black. Black because he was in mourning. Mourning the men he had killed.' It ended up being the second sentence of my first published book.
Great post, it's inspiring to hear you share your pain and your bravado. I find the concept of the narrative landscape helpful, where the landscape represents the premise, the world and the host of characters. The finished story is one of many potential routes through that landscape. By definition, the reader will not not see most of it or meet all the characters, but everything you write helps to enrich the landscape somehow, which is the soil from which ideas grow.
I just cut my first three or four chapters, about 12K words-ouch. It really will be a better place to start though. There was a lot of nothing going on between the first three pages and where I've chosen to start now.
Yup, the hardest thing was cutting out 14,000 words from my novel knowing I have a deadline looming and expectations and … oh dear. But, it doesn't hurt like it used to – first novels it seems we "can't" cut – it hurts to cut, but now, slice slice slice with a cold determined hardened heart . . . kill those little bastard darlings.
With all the advice you've given us over time, it's nice to hear you're human, too 🙂 Sometimes it's hard to see the novel for the scenes, and you love each of those scenes so much that you couldn't possibly cut them down for firewood, even if you regrow a tree in its place.
Thanks! 🙂
You write (type) your idea into the "ideas file". You look at all the other ideas that seemed great at the time but don't now. You put it away until you're struck with the next great idea. Meanwhile you get on with your day job and the umpteenth revision of your completed work(s). Eventually revisiting a "great idea" will convince you perhaps it was. Then you have to set about convincing the rest of the literary chain before it hits the world.
What I think is so interesting — and reassuring!! — is that even you, an agent yourself, fell into this trap.
Thanks for sharing, and good luck with reworking the opening!
It's hard, but the whole story takes precedence over the (sometimes great) parts. I've been finding that revision requires a strong delete-key finger. The good news is this always always always improves the story. (I thought about deleting a couple of those always, but sometimes you just have to hear things repeated a few times before they sink in–my experience, at least..)
When I first began to write, I had absolutely no idea of the process. I believed the book would stay more or less intact, with corrections for grammar or syntax or spelling or rhythm, but not for the story itself. As I went on, I began to realize the first draft – and my original ideas – are more like a lump of clay for a sculptor. Things are added and taken away constantly, until at last, a figure begins to emerge. The process is so much more malleable than I'd imagined. And that's what makes it such fun.
Nathan,
Thanks for this advice. It came at a really good time for me. Something good will happen to you today.
-Chase
Nathan, I truly hope everyone was right about your #2 and changing your first idea.
I'm not always so sure first ideas are wrong. First impressions are usually correct; first instincts usually work out best.
I once had a book released where this happened. I submitted the contracted book to the publisher with my first ideas in tact, and the publisher and editor thought it needed to be changed. I agreed with them, halfheartedly, and made the revisions, going against all my instincts. However, when it came time for the release and reviewers started reviewing, I soon found out my first idea was right and the publisher and editor were wrong. And I took the heat for it all. The publisher and editor disappeared, conveniently, and I'm still making excuses for this book and the changes they made to this day.
I learned a good lesson. And if I truly believe my first idea was right, I fight them until the end.
I would imagine it's hard to switch gears from agent to author. You have to play nice as an agent, and everyone has to get along. But authors don't have this luxury, because it's their name that's going up on the block and they will be the only ones responsible for the published work in the end. It all falls back on the author's shoulders, and the publisher, editor, and everyone else who offered the advice and changes do fantastic disappearing acts.
Best of luck with your release!!
Thanks, anon. My feeling is that one person can perhaps be wrong about something, but when you're hearing it from people you trust there's something to it. And now I see clearly that they were right and I'm glad I mentioned.
The second challenge is then going and making it better. That's the part that the writer owns. Editors might be really good at spotting problem areas and suggesting some possible directions, but the ultimate solution lies with the author.
In this case: it really really was the right decision. There's not a shred of doubt in my mind.
I'm actually surprised this has been a persistent theme in the comments. Granted, not all feedback is good feedback, but I don't think there's anything sacred about an author's "vision." Really good writers lead themselves astray all the time because they don't listen to feedback and trust themselves more than the people they work with.
Whoops, serves me right to leave a comment before coffee. Take 2:
Thanks, anon. My feeling is that one person can perhaps be wrong about something, but when you're hearing it from multiple people you trust there's something to it. And now I see clearly that they were right and I'm glad I listened.
The second challenge is then going and making it better. That's the part that the writer owns. Editors might be really good at spotting problem areas and suggesting some possible directions, but the ultimate solution lies with the author. And the author needs to think and think and work and work until it's right.
In this case: it really really was the right decision. There's not a shred of doubt in my mind.
I'm actually surprised this has been a persistent theme in the comments. Granted, not all feedback is good feedback, but I don't think there's anything sacred about an author's "vision." Really good writers lead themselves astray all the time because they don't listen to feedback and trust themselves more than the people they work with.
When a piece of writing is going around our critique group, sometimes there are opposite remarks: one person loves what another would strike; one person is confused by what two others get absolutely; and so on. When this happens, I don't necessarily change the writing, at least not right away, and I think about it. Not everyone in the group will be the eventual reader i am looking for.
However, when everyone says the same thing about a section, I listen hard. If it's good, it's spot on; if it's bad, it needs my attention.I still like to take my time and think about a change though so that it fits me as a writer and my story.
What I find helpful in the feedback when something doesn't work is to hear what the reader wishes was there, the missing ingredient.
If I can hear what's NOT there, that NEEDS to be there, I can go right to work.
I've always loved the word pernicious. It reminds me of wermiscious and it's always followed in my mind by knid.
First ideas are so alluring, though. It's hard to let them go when they have all the glory of the "A-ha" moment, the excitement of the blossoming story attached to them.
* I don't think there's anything sacred about an author's "vision." *
I believe that's the crux of the argument here and why it keeps popping up as a theme.
You're putting forth writing as a skill that can be guided into a best product.
But many people see writing as a channel for a creative impulse that has it's own goals and meaning. People who believe this frequently believe there is a 'sacred' quality to their work. Other people can give helpful feedback and guidance, but the vision and the meaning ultimately belongs to the author alone. Unless the author has a co-author, of course.
This is the kind of thing where people are unlikely to convince each other.
It's more a case of respecting that people may see writing differently and have different reasons why they write.
I belong to the second camp, obviously, but that doesn't in any way stop me from being very happy for you that you received terrific guidance on your work!
mira-
To me that's like an athlete saying that they can get by without coaching. There are athletes who are "uncoachable" because they think they know best, and they never live up to their true potential. You don't need a coach if you want to shoot baskets in the back yard, but if you want to be a professional, you have to allow experts to steer you in the right direction.